AI Agents Replacing Workers At Fortune 500 Companies

0:00Welcome back to the Build-in Public Podcast. And in this episode, we got Brett and Paul back on the episode to talk all things AI, the things that they're building with AI, and going through some of the [music] trending topics. Let's get right into it. All right, Paul, you're up. What you been working on? I want to hear what what are you working? I know you're working on a podcast app. How's that coming along? How are you building it? What does the tech stack look like? >> Um, so I'm working on a lot of really interesting things. To answer your question really quickly, uh any real developers listening will cringe at this. My tech stack is React Native TypeScript Expo for the front end. Um and then on the back end, I have a complete backend and server running on Python and Django. Um and it works great. It works great. The the podcast processing pipeline is uh built using uh

0:48OpenAI's embeddings and um Hine Cone as the vector database. and then uh Superbase as the PostgreSQL database. And yeah, it all it all works really great together. The app allows you to chat with one uh single podcast episode or thousands of podcast episodes at the same time so that you can absorb and understand and learn from podcasts uh much better. and I created an open claw skill for it here in the last two weeks so that you can hand your openclaw or your AI agent uh semantic search across uh hundreds of thousands of podcast episodes. So uh check it out pods.com. >> How do you use that is like I think you're on the cusp of like a huge data

1:34source there. I mean, I think you're on not deep in it. And I'm just trying to think like if I sat down and asked my agent, like what would I ask? What would be the use case where I'd say, "Hey, agent, this is the thing." And there's only one place to go get it. It's Pod Sips. Go get this. Synthesize it and bring it back to me. What am I asking it? >> Yeah. So, I was in the car with my wife the other day and um we were talking about something. What were we talking about? We were talking about the like the depressive effects of alcohol and like what happens if you drink alcohol. And I was like, "Oh, Andrew Huberman did a whole episode about this." And I just picked up my phone, said into my phone in the Slack chat where I had access to my open claw. I said, "Use Pod Sips, go figure out what Andrew Huberman said about the depressive effects of alcohol." And it just came back. It did

2:21a bunch of searches across all of Andrew Huberman's entire podcast and came back to me with uh the answer I was looking for, but based in the reality of his podcast, not just Google search or anything like that. You could find it via Google search, but um I like the fact that it's grounded in the reality of the individual podcast. And then the other way that I use it very briefly is when I'm listening to a podcast. I've started using the app on my phone, which is just crazy. When I'm listening to a podcast and someone says something that I don't understand, like Brett, if you say something technical that I don't understand on this podcast and I'm listening back, I could say, "Okay, I don't understand what he just said. Explain that to me in simple terms." And it will know what I just listened to. And it will know the point at which I'm in the podcast and it will know how far to go back and search in the transcript

3:08of the podcast to answer my question. Even if I'm as vague as saying, "I don't understand what he just said. Explain that to me in simple terms." So, I don't want to put you on the spot, but can I do the reverse where if I don't know the podcast, but I know what I want to know about, can I say find me episodes across any like across shows where they've talked about the depressive effects of alcohol cuz maybe I don't know about Andrew Huberman yet and there's a topic dour that's going around and I say, I wonder what the zeitgeist is saying about this. And it would say like, hey, these are the episodes from these different shows that covered that. And I say, awesome. like what's the consensus? What are people saying or what are the counterpoints? Can I do that? >> Yeah. Yeah, of course. >> That's awesome. I didn't and I'm glad I didn't put you on the spot. I'm glad

3:53that uh I teed you up for an incredible feature because to me, I love podcast information. I don't listen anywhere near as actively as you do. I'm always looking I'm in that discovery phase. Same thing for like books, shows, movies, is I'm going I know what's interesting to me. I don't really know how to find it. And so I think if I came to that and said, "Hey, like honestly like one of my favorite things right now is connecting disperate hobbies and facts about me and saying, "Okay, I like this genre of books. I like these types of movies. I work on cars. I code." Take all of that stuff and find me three shows I should be following. Like I to me that's that's what would get me excited is I'm going, "Oh my god." Like

4:38I can just tell you about me and discover content that's for me. >> Yep. Yeah, podcast uh discovery is like the hardest thing. It's like the hardest problem I think to solve in podcasting. And there have been some very prominent podcasters that say, "I'm just at the whim of the Spotify algorithm or I'm just at the whim of the Apple podcast algorith. You have to know what to ask for." And I'm going, "Well, if I knew what to ask for, I would know the shows." Yeah. >> Yeah. Exactly. But to your point, Brad, is like as these AIs become more and more aware of who we are and what our interests are, just like you see people on Twitter be like, uh, you know, tell me what you think my favorite car would be or tell me what you think my like ideal house would be or something like that because it knows so much about you.

5:23Um, that's a feature that I think is underutilized right now by anybody messing around with the pods API is like what can you just inherently infer about me based on our conversations and then help me find podcast content from it. So yeah, I'm trying to put my finger on what the word is. It's like this cultural knowledge base that's really interesting because it's [clears throat] not all on the web somewhere, right? It's not like, okay, you can ask Google and it's going to go search articles and crawl data and it's like it's topical. It's what people are literally speaking about to each other, >> right? >> And having insight into that data level is really interesting. Like I'm starting my brain is cranking on like, oh my goodness, it's like a totally organic. Yes, it's like an organic data source of

6:10like this. These aren't white papers and you know, I don't have to wait for Anthropic to tell me what the next wave is. I can hear what the top people in this AI space are talking about and go, "Oh, I wonder if anybody's even like identified that they're there's a trend, right? They're all talking about this thing maybe in different ways, maybe in different temperatures, right? Like, oh, this guy's bullish on it, this guy's bearish on it, but I see this amalgamation of the data and then go, "Wow, I see like we might be heading towards, you know, agents 2.0." Like, that's interesting. So, I think there's a lot of insight to pull from that and I'm curious to see what people start using it for. Oh man. Okay. >> Is it live right now? >> The app itself is not live. If you guys had iPhones, I would invite you to test

6:55flight, but you're lame Android lovers. Um, so the the test flight is live for anybody who wants to get on TestFlight, but you can go to developer singular developer.pods.com and um get the openclaw skill, get an API key. um get a hundred free credits to hand the pods library and semantic search to your favorite AI agent. >> Yeah, there's got to be some sort of like live dashboard or something of like what like what's trending on Twitter? What's trending across this this awesome data? >> The top 500 podcasts. >> Yeah. Yeah, that's crazy. Uh >> yeah. Yeah. Have you guys heard of um Chris Camilo? >> Sorry. Heard of who? >> Chris Camilillo. >> The name sounds familiar, but no.

7:40>> Yeah, it's all good. I'll be brief. I don't want to dominate the all of our time. Um, >> no, I think this is really interesting. Honestly, >> he's uh his whole shtick is he reads Tik Tok comments and looks at like what's trending on Tik Tok and then decides uh what actual like public market trades to make based on that because it usually frontuns by two weeks or so what the public market investors know about um when it comes to like knowledge of the market and the trend. Um, so I have thought long and hard about how do I use the ability to semantically search across all of the top podcasts to frontr run trades >> trends. Yeah. Yeah. >> You've got like Diary of a CEO talking to like leaders across different industries. Some of them are even just

8:25kind of like hype people for buzz stuff, right? Like oh this the latest creatine routine and we're going to talk about that. So some of it's kind of like silly, but I I mean I'll use creatine as an example. That's on on everything. I've I've I don't know. I'm I don't even take creatine and I'm so aware right now of like the health benefits. >> Yeah. >> Everybody's espousing creatine. And if I could have seen that as it was like it may still be in that gaining popularity trend and go, "Oh, who who's publicly trading uh supplements, you know, big big who's big creatine? How do I how do I get on board and capitalize on this wave?" Because I remember guys in high school taking it. And you know, I don't want to date myself here, but that's over 20 years. It's 30 25 years ago. I remember guys in the locker room like, "Oh, I'm lifting weights and taking

9:10creatine." And so, like, it's been around. It's not new, but the popularity is skyrocketing. And to be able to see a trend like that, that's exactly what I'm trying to put my finger on is like there are just little things in the zeitgeist that are going to like rise to the surface. And being able to see that ahead of time is really interesting. >> Yep. Yeah. It's uh it's this is the problem with AI in general though is like I totally agree. I have agreed for a year and a half. How do I keep my focus on that and then how do I capitalize on that so that the world knows about it? Maybe Bose's podcast will blow. >> I mean this is like I know you. I've known you for a while now and this is my aha moment of like oh that's amazing. >> Well thanks. >> It's good. I I have been really diving

9:55deep in what is going on with AI and some of these bigger companies and you guys have heard and you've already seen it, but you know, Amazon laid off a bunch of employees block uh Jack Dorsey's uh business laid off 4,000 employees. What is like your thought process on all these like basically specialized humans like documenting their SOPs, how the systems are ran, and then essentially getting fired and replaced with LLMs? Like, is that where we're headed? And is that like the future of work? >> I have fragmented thoughts on this, so bear with me. Um, I think we're going to see a dystopia before a utopia. I think we're going to see a jump to the bottom line where these companies are going,

10:40"Oh, I can get 10x the output with half the team." Great. That makes the shareholders happy, right? And we're going to have, I think, unfortunately, we're going to have just pools of people who were safe because we just needed the fingers on the keyboards to do the work. Um, I'm reading a book right now, which is why I have fragmented thoughts. um it's called Reach and they're talking about how you can specialize in chess for example from a really early age and you can learn thousands upon thousands of tactics but it still takes human level strategy to apply those tactics, right? So the difference was that and again pardon my like just totally halfconcocted thoughts here but basically the machines can learn what we do and get better at it than us but then

11:26we can adapt and do the next thing because we can conceptualize and visualize things that don't exist yet and say okay great now [clears throat] that the machine is handling tactics which is I'm going to call all of those like lower level jobs tactical jobs all you have to do is know how to complete a process and take something, you know, take data from here and enter it here. That's a tactic. Doesn't involve any critical thinking or uh visionary powers, right? And so, right now, you're going to see the people that are kind of already we're already in those roles, you know, the the thought leaders are going to be sort of I don't want to say safe, but safe like sort of like on an island while the tide is rising. And then over time, that's what we're going to start training people for because

12:11this need, we've been training people for the needs we had and this is the fastest we've ever seen an evolution where those roles were no longer needed. >> Yeah. >> So, like I said, unfortunately, there's going to be just a ton of like, well, what do we do now? But I think 5 years from now, 10 years from now, whatever it is, that has balanced back out and we figured out how to maximize output while putting people in the people positions. So that's my thought on it is it's not all it's not all doom and gloom. It's also not all this like amazing future where the robots are going to do it for us. In between there's going to be, for lack of better term, like a lot of bloodshed. >> Yeah. And people are going to have to be resilient and adapt and you know learn

12:56to kind of use these tools. But unfortunately a lot of people are once the rug is pulled out from under you it's too late. You can't figure out how to use the tool to keep your job that you just lost. So I think like I said un unfortunately I think there's and this goes beyond just jobs. I have the same feelings on like the environmental effects and energy usage and all of these things that we're just kind of frontloading the bad parts because we see the potential. Yep. >> But we're taking a gamble that that potential is going to pay off. I believe it will. So that's the optimism, but I'm also not so optimistic that I'm thinking everything in between here and there is going to be friendly or sustainable. >> I I'll take the other side. I'll take the other side. I I heard someone articulate this much better than I'm about to on uh podcasts earlier this

13:43week. Um I agree with you, Brett. Like my personal opinion is that I agree with you. I think the other side of the coin that we AI lovers don't understand is that it's easier for us, for some reason, it's easier for us to imagine the worst case scenario than it is for us to imagine the best case scenario because it's easy to say everybody's going to lose their job or a lot of people are going to lose their jobs. It's much harder for us to grasp the reality that is everybody that is a middle manager or that is a tactical profession in a company is going to reskill and is going to become 10 times more impactful because it's it's difficult for me to think about how those companies will do that. It's much

14:28easier to say the AI is just going to do everyone's job and everyone's just gonna unfortunately lose their job and then in 10 years everyone's going to figure out how to use AI like they all figured out how to use the internet and then everyone's going to be employable again. So I think that that might be the reality. I I of course can't put my hands on what that like positive outlook looks like. It's much harder to put my hands on what that positive outlook looks like. And I think the reason I take the more jaded approach there is due to just corporate greed. Yeah. Thinking these this technology is incredible and it has the potential to positively impact, you know, just in a in a way we've never seen. Unfortunately, I think the incumbents, the powers that be, are going to make the financial gra before the human grab

15:15and say, I'm going to put profits ahead of the people. Because you look at something like an Amazon, you're telling me they can't they couldn't benefit from just 5xing their output? Of course they could. But they could also 2x their output and raise their stock price while cutting half the team. Well, that's a 4x output, right? So, it's like unfortunately they're looking at it from numbers. And I'm still I think that's going to be solved through regulation. I think we're gonna have to come in from a government standpoint and say, "You guys must do right with this technology because it is too dangerous and too powerful to say, yeah, like Jeff Bezos could sit in a tower with all the supercomput power available to him because he's got the money and fire everyone and probably still run most of Amazon. It'll have autonomous drones for delivery and warehouse robots and AI

16:01doing the coding." It's like, yeah, you could probably afford to figure out how to do it without 90% of your workflow, but don't like I don't know how else to put it. Like, you know, like it's hard to think like as I would like to consider myself a good person. It's hard to think as a good person. Like, well, how could someone do that? And I'm going, yeah, but to me, like that's the part I have to be realistic about is think they will until they're told not to. >> I I've only met two types of people when it comes to talking about AI. It's either they really love it and they're fascinated or they're like it's from the devil. And I just don't meet anyone in between. You know, coming back from church the other day, it was literally like, "Oh my god, I hate AI." And it's like, you hate it. Well, unfortunately, this is no, there's no stopping it. You

16:46know, like you said, regulation at that point maybe, but where we're at now and with the money coming in, like there's a GitHub repo video I just made. It's called agency agents. 13,000 stars in five days. These are 51 specialized agents that replace you like content strategist, marketer, and this is information gathered from years of experience for that specific role. Now, plugandplay for your business. So, >> and on launch side, that's exciting, right? Yeah. So, this kind of like the the double-edged sword here is I consider myself, this is like a a new term I'm wrestling with, so bear with me if the definition is off, but I put myself in the polymath category of I want to specialize in everything. I

17:32don't like choosing one vertical and saying this is what I'm good at. This is what I'm going to do. I enjoy what AI brings me is the ability to specialize across the board and say I'm not a good graphic designer, but I can now put out goodlooking websites. >> Yep. Well, now you are. >> I'm a proficient front-end developer. Well, now I'm a mobile app developer. That's awesome, right? So, I'm going I literally have six of my own apps on my phone and if I don't make a dollar off of those, it doesn't matter because they solved my need. So, I love this idea of the world is my oyster at this point. If I there's an app out there that I want that doesn't exist, I just make my own. If your app has too many ads, I'll just replicate it. And I'm saying like maybe that's not all good. But as a consumer,

18:19as like a person going the power that's now available to me as just a regular guy is incredibly exciting. So, that's what gets me pumped up. But I also understand not everybody thinks that way. If you spent your entire life riding like, okay, I'm a social media strategist. And I'm going, oh, well, now I have an app that will post across all my platforms, monitor all my metrics and optimize my creative to increase engagement. And, you know, your entire career is now a skill for my clawed agent. I understand why that's also upsetting. But to me, I'm going, yeah, but now you're not hindered anymore. You don't just have to be a social media strategist. You can now be an everything. But not everybody wants to be an everything. And I feel like that's where I differ is I want to be everything. And so this lets me at least

19:04have proficiency in almost everything for better or worse. For me it's for better. For a lot of people it's for worse. And I get that. So I try and be part of I think we covered this briefly last time. Part of what I try and do when I talk to people and want to consult with them is I want to do that upskilling. I want to bring you with me. You know, I don't want to come in and try and replace your business. I want you to thrive using these tools so you're not gobbled up by them. >> That's that's my obviously I want to get paid and I want to make money, but the mission behind that is to say, "Hey, I also want you fellow little guys and gals to come along for the ride and enjoy this technology and make the best of it." Because I I you know, Bo, to your point, I get a lot of people that are like, "Oh, I'm boycotting it. I don't use it." And I'm like, "Guys, that is a short-term solution. I I

19:50understand, you know, passive resistance and all that, but I, you know, I I' I've used this analogy before. You can stand on the shore and yell at the tide not to come in, but it's happening. It's coming in. Yeah. >> If I were you, I I'd get on the battle board and figure it out. >> There's a graph that um was shown on the stacked podcast. It's a newer podcast that Nick Rev does, but it talked about the AI adoption and where we're at in the cycle. It was 0.03% of the world's population is actually is paying for AI tools and it said um less than what and yeah it's like it's we're so early and this is um it was less than 10% of the world's population that actually have even used AI. So like you

20:37know when you do a Google search and you're like oh you know add AI to the search or something like that you know. So just like to put that in perspective is like boy we are still so early. I know you have been in it much longer than me and just being in this space for the last year or two you know actually building um it's if when you're in the space it feels like oh man is this over and then when you zoom out you're like this is just starting like >> that's exactly it. you feel like, oh, everybody's already done it. All the use cases are solved, right? All the business ideas are snatched up. >> But, but I think I think you guys are totally right. But just to push back a little bit, the scary thing is is that that tiny little sliver of that graph, that tiny little piece of red, AI is so

21:24powerful that even that tiny little sliver of the world may allow those tiny little sliver of people to eat everybody else before they even have the chance to touch it. So it's it's scary, but it's scary for the reason that I already said. It's scary that it's scary because we can't articulate what the good side is as well as we can articulate the bad side. >> Right. >> Yeah. And the good side is for the people that like us like I want to find the good in this. I love finding the good in this and I want to evangelize the good in this. But yeah, there's a a large part of the population that is, you know, and they they're not wrong. That's the problem is I'm going, "Oh, you're not wrong. I just love the benefits more." And you know, that's an honest take on where I'm at is I'm going, "Oh, yeah, I hear you, man.

22:10Energy costs are going up. Yes, I better make 10 times more money with my AI then." Like, I don't know how else to say it. Like, um, you know, it's it's not a great attitude to say, "Well, it's going to happen. I may as well just use it." But it's going to happen. I may as well just use like just I always say like if you don't like something, boycotting it is going to just take you out of the conversation. I think it's important that you be a part of something if you don't like it. I've got a buddy of mine, this is a really funny example from a long time ago. He's in in wind energy and he lives on the east coast. He works in a city and it's constant pushing pushing pushing pushing and working to get these things implemented. And I said to him one time, I said, "Why don't you just go out to, you know, the West Coast, go out to Seattle where they, you know, they're already embracing this stuff and they

22:55want it." And his take was because they don't need to be convinced why it's good. I don't want to go somewhere to where I'm just surrounded by an echo chamber. I want to do the good work and and evangelize for it. And I was like, "Oh, that's interesting." To me, that's kind of what AI is is you can avoid it. Or for me, I could just hang out with people that like it because that's comfortable. People that reinforce what I'm into and say, "Yes, that's a good idea." What I have right now is people that are looking at me and saying, "You're trying to capitalize on something that I look at as evil or bad." at and I'm going yeah I I do understand that viewpoint and rather than run away from you I'd like to have a conversation where I admit the bad sides and I try and at least convey what I believe are the upsides as well but you know you're going to have to vote for the people that you think have like

23:40this is going to be a platform people run on now is you know the next presidential candidate is going to be hey what are your thoughts on AI right yeah going to matter to a huge partner population >> it's actually just like that Democrat or Republican people want something to feel like they're fighting for something. You know, we all have our favorite football teams, baseball teams. We want to feel like, you know, I'm on a team. And it's just like for me when it comes to it, I just want to be a better person and I want to get better every day. AI helps me do that faster. I might be dead tomorrow. You know, our time is so short on this planet and you know, I just want to be a better person. I want to learn skills a bit faster. I want to understand complex concepts better. It would take me a lot longer to do that on my own. But now I could just go to cloud and go explain this to me like I'm five.

24:25Okay, I got it. Now let me apply it. If I didn't have that Paul's app from earlier, this is brand new that you can take this widespread disperate data and synthesize it into new thoughts. That's so exciting to me. I'm going like that's you saw me earlier. I was like, "Oh my goodness." It's like I'm starting to realize like, wow, you can take all of these things that are completely unrelated and through this level of compute, you can start to gather insights that were not possible before. And I'm going, "Oh man, what do we do with that information? That's so neat to me." So, I'm literally, you know, I say all the time like, "We're going to cure cancer with this. I just hope we do it before the ozone is gone." I really like that's those are the the ends of the spectrum to me is like this is going to have that impact if we're still here to

25:11benefit from it. And I believe we will be. So that's my hope. But I would also understand if you said, "Yeah, like we're shooting ourselves in the foot to do, you know, these things." And I'm like, you also may be right. I don't know. >> Yeah. What's the next thing? You know, Paul, you're working on podips. Well, what is the next thing? Are you going to continue to just work on that till completion? Because I know you're working on a fitness app. Like, what are you doing as far as like a monetization standpoint? How are you trying to build your business? >> Yep. So, I don't have an audience and I don't have a lot of patience to build an audience. So, I'm helping people that do have audiences build things. Um, so the um nutrition app that I built was for a fitness influencer who has close to, if

25:56not over now, 100,000 followers. And then I'm uh trying to work with another person that has an extremely large Instagram account. Um, I will come back on and tell you if I if I get that. >> Guys, it's me on the social media, darling. Thank you, Paul, for keeping me. [laughter] >> You could be, Brett. You could be. >> Just say you're a YouTube sensation. I don't know if you know. I'm >> putting your link in the in the description. >> I've got over 500 combined views. I'm a YouTube sensation. >> Yeah, let's go. That's great. That's great. That's great. Um, but yeah, I I have been messing around with AI content creation for the past 24 hours and I just I looked at what Arc Ads is doing. >> Yeah.

26:41>> Um, and Bo, I looked at what you and I did for our project a couple months ago and I was like, I can build this. So, um, yeah, I don't know if you guys want to listen to me ramble too much more, but I built this insane pipeline using Kai Kie. and their API endpoints that produces some really amazing AI UGC content. Um, and I'm building it as a tool that I can hand to an who is the content creator in my OpenClaw setup to create content for Pod Sips. Um, so yeah, we can talk more about that as needed. >> I love it, man. The more I see these like pieces come together, the more I just get so jazzed up because it just

27:26wasn't possible. Even with Open Claw, it wasn't possible 3 months ago. You know what I mean? Like I always go like I can't even stop to think about what we'll have 3 months from now. And like that's what always blows my mind is I'm going I'm so enamored with what we have right now that I can't even think about what's on the horizon because I don't think I could I don't think I have the compute to hold that in my edit at this point. 10 million context window, 1,000 token per second speeds. We're going to have that by the end of 2026 and it is going to feel like a completely different world. Imagine computer use with 1,000 tokens per second and a 10 million context window. >> Yeah. What happens? What happens? >> Yeah. Cuz I will say that's the holdup right now is if I want, you know, Claude to test my mobile app or take screenshots of it, it is incredibly slow

28:13and I just let it happen because it's not my time, right? Okay, let me just set it and forget it and I'll come back in 20 minutes and see what you've got. And to say like, hey, take screenshots of my app and submit it to the app store. And 30 seconds later, it's like, oh, I've done all that. I'm like, oh, well, now I kind of ran out of tasks. Like, I didn't have the next thing ready for you because I wasn't ready to do it that quickly. You know, I I think that honestly that's a that's a problem right now with development is it's hard for me to put a stop on things and release because I'm going, "Oh, but I could code 35 more features by tomorrow." And you can bloat your app to infinity because it's easy and not because anybody's asking for it. You know, the the joke around AI Twitter for a while was your app doesn't need a dark mode. It needs users and it's just because having multiple themes became free, right?

28:58Build an app, give it 10 themes, who cares, right? It doesn't matter. It's it's it's a drop in the bucket. It's nothing. But you will sit there and agonize over your 10 themes when you don't have a single user that's asked for anything beyond the basic theme. So it's interesting like we we have so much. So Paul to your like wrap this up to summarize that when it can do more faster the challenge is going to be to do less because you don't need more. You need to take that time you've saved and use that to launch it and find distribution and no go oh now I can 10x my features. Nobody's asking for your features yet. Yeah. >> Go. >> I mean, sure. I I like what Mark Lou has done and he just had a tweet that stuck with me is like he goes, "I never have

29:44met a single person that has failed in launching a startup that hasn't launched at least 20 startups." And a lot of the comments under there is like, "All right, be right back. Launching 20 startups." But, um, you know, it's just puts into perspective. I think people get really discouraged when they fail on their first or second or even fifth project and they're just like, you know what, this isn't for me. And I think, you know, it's now the barrier to entry to starting a startup is much lower. It's just that I think people just give up way too soon. Maybe >> it's interesting like if the barrier is so low, then yeah, is your stick tuitiveness going to be low because you're not invested? Yeah. >> Right. Like, oh, this seemed like a good idea. I tried it for two days. It didn't take off. I'm not a millionaire. Well, now I'm going to try the next one. It's like, oh man, but if you'd stuck with

30:29that one for six months, it really could have had legs. But >> yeah, >> the next thing came along and, you know, a a Twitter post went viral and you thought, "Oh, I'll make that." >> Yeah. Yeah. A lot of times it's also, you know, since we're under the masters of all these different algorithms, it does take time to train the algorithm to find your people. You know, it's like it takes maybe even a year of posting every day. So, um, I just think like a lot of people give up. They get discouraged, especially when creating content, you know, starting a Tik Tok or YouTube. They're like, "Oh, my third video didn't get any views." It's like, well, it it's crazy. It's like I think there's a YouTube stat where it's like less than 1% of YouTube YouTubers have more than 10,000 subscribers. >> Yeah. I've also heard the same about Yeah. I've heard that if you make I've

31:15heard if you make it to like 20 episodes, you're in the top 1%. Yeah. >> I Those numbers are probably wrong, but they illustrate the Yeah. If you make it to like some really achievable number, you're in the top 1% because everybody goes, "Oh, I didn't have an audience." Um, going back to I was joking earlier about my number of YouTube views and me being a YouTube sensation. Somebody said this and I can't take credit for it. I also can't attribute it properly, but they said, "If you were in a room with that many people, wouldn't that be impressive?" Like, if 200 people watched my YouTube video, that feels like a YouTube failure because it wasn't a million. It wasn't 10,000. It wasn't whatever. It's like, but if I had a auditorium with 200 people that cared what I had to say, I'd be thrilled. So, I look at it from that perspective of

32:00going, man, if anybody out there is interested in what I have to say, that's pretty neat, you know? So, I think you kind of have to have that attitude of I'm just putting this out there for those who do care and I just hopefully more will care later on, but for now it's me and the people that are in the room and, you know, I I think that's pretty neat. It's fun. What do you guys say to someone just because I'm coming across this a lot um in my personal life is that what if a person just straight up rejects AI and you know are are you there to just how you doing keep it moving or are you there to like give some talking points I'm like hey this could actually help you like what do you know we're all different but what would you do and maybe share some experience >> if they're if they're dead set especially this day and age I don't

32:45argue with people that are not up for conversations. I personally keep myself open for conversations, you know, with politics, religion, whatever. We are we in the US right now, it's just so incredibly divisive that if you've already established your position on something and that's final to you, >> Yeah. >> then I'm going to I'm going to say respect that, but ultimately it's because I don't want to I don't have the time and the energy to convince you otherwise. If you want if you're curious or you're open to a discussion and you want to debate pros and cons, I love it. I'm I'm happy to because I'm also willing to be convinced of something else. But yeah, if it's just me trying to convince you that you're quote unquote wrong, that's a losing fight and I don't want to play.

33:31>> Yeah. Yeah. I um I'll give you my opinion here and then Bo, I'm sorry. I got to run, man. Yep. Um I I have had a couple people uh one of my friends girlfriends was like, "I'm never using AI." And I was like, "Okay, but like you have intelligence in your pocket. Don't you think that that intelligence would that you don't have to use it to replace anybody? You don't have to use it for the malicious reasons. Don't you think that you could use it to do the things that you want to do better and like be a better version of yourself or do your individual tasks at home better?" And um that kind of like clicked a light bulb on because everything is just rage bait. >> Everything is so divisive. Like Brett said, it's like, okay, no problem. But

34:17if you just want to be able to order groceries by connecting Claude to the Instacart API and that's it, that's all. And you just want to like create coloring sheets for your kids through the nano banana uh usage, like okay, no problem. Don't don't worry about doing your work with it. But like you have intelligence in your pocket. There's no reason that you have to say it is completely useless to me and it's all bad for me. >> That's my two cents. Um Bo, thank you so much for having me and I'm so sorry that I have to jump off. I hope that we can do this again. >> We're going to keep it short. We'll keep these rolling out, but I wanted your point of view just because I need some ammunition. I I want to make my case. And I love what you said, Paul, because yeah, it's like you have this expert business advisor, expert personal

35:02trainer, expert cook. You know, you want to learn how to cook. Well, you got the best one. and you got Gordon Ramsay in your pocket. So, just trying to like not try to ruffle feathers but also make a point. I was like, "Hey, I want something and Bose said this earlier. You want to be the best version of yourself." B said something earlier about I want to be constantly improving and to say like, "Oh, I don't want to use the most powerful tool ever created to keep improving." It's like, well, I do, you know? So, >> yeah. I love it, guys. Well, we we appreciate you. We'll do this again, guys. If you're watching on this replay, comment your thoughts. What do you think? Are you using AI? And how are you moving forward? We'll see you in the next one, guys.